Hi there,
I'm wondering what meat sources or combinations are best for a regular diet, or if it matters at all (assuming the quality is high). My cat has been eating Innova Evo wet exclusively-- it is the only wet food I found that she would eat. She eats 1/3 of a can, 2x per day. Until recently, Evo only came in one formula (turkey/chicken). Yesterday I went to the store where I buy the Evo, and discovered that Evo now makes a duck, beef, and venison variety (all 95% meat). As an experiment I bought 1 can of duck with the rest of the usual, and lo and behold, my cat LOVES the stuff. So I went back to the store today and bought 12 cans of the duck. I figure I'll rotate the duck and the chicken/turkey cans.
Seems like a silly question, but are some protein sources better than others? I'm sticking with the Evo, as I trust that it is good quality, but I was wondering how much it matters what kinds I buy.
Thanks in advance.
Rebecca
I'm wondering what meat sources or combinations are best for a regular diet, or if it matters at all (assuming the quality is high). My cat has been eating Innova Evo wet exclusively-- it is the only wet food I found that she would eat. She eats 1/3 of a can, 2x per day. Until recently, Evo only came in one formula (turkey/chicken). Yesterday I went to the store where I buy the Evo, and discovered that Evo now makes a duck, beef, and venison variety (all 95% meat). As an experiment I bought 1 can of duck with the rest of the usual, and lo and behold, my cat LOVES the stuff. So I went back to the store today and bought 12 cans of the duck. I figure I'll rotate the duck and the chicken/turkey cans.
Seems like a silly question, but are some protein sources better than others? I'm sticking with the Evo, as I trust that it is good quality, but I was wondering how much it matters what kinds I buy.
Thanks in advance.
Rebecca
-
Re: best meat source and/or combination?
Sun, December 23, 2007 - 4:23 PMOne answer to this question might be that *raw* meat (and parts) might be "best". But I know some people don't hold that opinion, and there are probably cats which can't do raw. Every cat I know of that could be weaned off cooked food (or instantly loved raw food!) showed a dramatic visable improvement in their well-being (vitality, alertness, soft healthy coat and skin etc.).
As far as canned meat, I think the quality is the biggest consideration (like the brand you're using), and just rotate whichever flavors your cat likes. Sometimes the quality and flavor will vary from one can to another, even of the same flavor. I would think a variety is best. Generally speaking, too much of any one thing is probably not the best choice.
Prepared raw food is now widely available frozen. The raw brands my kitty likes, and are the best quality I believe, are Primal and Nature's Variety.
Az
-
Re: best meat source and/or combination?
Sun, December 23, 2007 - 4:53 PMYes, raw is best, but Innova Evo is a fantastic commercial brand. Definitely rotate foods as much as you can.
The commercial raw diets shouldn't be fed exclusively to cats. Because they are ground AND frozen, they don't have the required amount of taurine in them to keep your cat healthy. Grinding increases surface area, therefore increasing oxidation, which destroys taurine. Freezing also destroys taurine. That's not to say that they are a very healthy choice to add into your cat's diet, just don't do it exclusively.
As for "homemade" raw, this is the best option. Feeding can be complicated at first and should be well researched so that your cats gets the proper rations of phosporus:calcium, and other nutrients. There are some great resources online. Any cat, unless ill or recently vaccinated (the Bortedella Vaccine increases a cat's susceptibility to Salmonella), can switch to raw and actually improve. -
-
Re: best meat source and/or combination?
Sun, December 23, 2007 - 4:59 PMMs Purity, thanks for that tip about frozen raw food and taurine. I didn't know that. What is the best way to supplement taurine, or how to you add it to your fresh raw food recipes? Is it a supplement you buy?
Thanks!
Az -
-
Re: best meat source and/or combination?
Sun, December 23, 2007 - 5:04 PMYou can buy it as a supplement at most health food stores. Otherwise, if preparing food yourself, use dark meats that aren't ground, but rather just chop them up small enough for your cat to eat. It's actually better if you give them larger chunks that force them to chew their food. It also cleans their teeth. Giving them bones also helps clean teeth when they crunch through them. This can be tough to get a cat to do. Usually starting with the tips of chicken wings helps get them used to crunching bones. -
-
Re: best meat source and/or combination?
Mon, December 24, 2007 - 6:23 AMThat makes sense about letting them crack the bones. My cat is almost 14 now, and I realize that she has a lot of plaque on her teeth.... but I'm not about to have a vet remove it under anethesia (we both avoid doctors as much as possible). However, noticing this, it did occur to me that she doesn't eat anything that would help to remove the plaque naturally, or would have kept it from forming in the first place, as would be more the case if she where eating wild birds and rodents - and crunching bones. So that makes sense, yet another part of me learned and internalized (probably from my Mother) that cats shouldn't have bones or they'll choke. Back in the day, when Tia was quite the hunter, she would eat whole rodents, so I know the idea isn't foreign to her, and I suppose I shouldn't worry!
I've never made my own raw cat food, since I've not really had a conducive living situation to do that, but now I have a adequate kitchen, and storage space. so perhaps I'll give it a try. Especially given that you're saying I don't need to invest in a meat grinder - correct? Perhaps I'll check on some of the older threads in this group for recipes. She's not as into eating the frozen stuff anymore, anyways, so I do both canned and frozen with some supplements occasionally.
Thanks again,
Az & Tiababy -
-
Re: best meat source and/or combination?
Mon, December 24, 2007 - 7:21 AMthere's also a great Yahoo Group called RawCat that you might want to check out. -
-
Re: best meat source and/or combination?
Mon, December 24, 2007 - 7:51 AMI think I actually am a member, just haven't gotten the emails forever. It was more info that I could use at the time. And there seem to be so many different recipes... just trying to figure out if I DO really need a meat grinder, or if I could get the butcher to do it, or what exactly... and truthfully, it's not the biggest thing on my agenda at this point in time, but perhaps next month I can look into getting the stuff I will need.
A question I'm having is if you make your own, especially having just 1 cat, it wouldn't be that practical unless I freeze it anyways... So supplementing with taurine is still indicated I imagine. I see where it is added in the recipes. Of course, I know making my own will be superior to what I can buy regardless.
Thanks again,
Az -
-
Re: best meat source and/or combination?
Mon, December 24, 2007 - 8:57 AMwell, if the meat isn't ground, freezing it won't be as much of an issue. The surface will lack taurine, but the inside should still be ok. Remember to use dark meat like beef, lamb, duck, etc. or the dark meat from turkey or chicken. I wouldn't get a meat grinder unless you want to grind your own meat for yourself. This is a consideration since the ground meat at the supermarket is usually all the "past date" steaks that they couldn't sell. -
-
Re: best meat source and/or combination?
Tue, December 25, 2007 - 1:37 PMThanks for the further tips... I did some quick research, and I see that grinding for a raw food diet is old school! Makes perfect sense of course, wonder why this wasn't the norm previously. Also, I joined the yahoogroup rawcat, that might be a different one that wasn't around previously. Clearly some great information, I'll be reading with interest for awhile to get some new ideas. I'll try to read in the archives eventually too.
Well I had chicken here on Christmas Day and thought I'd see if Tia had any interest in the innards, or the neck etc. Well, it certainly made her curious, but not enough to take a bite. Far too different from her soft food -- and since she didn't kill it herself, it seemed to mystify her, as to why these dead animal parts were on a plate where her regular food usually is. And I suspect she wasn't outrageously hungry either. I'm thinking of buying a hand-crank grinder and perhaps give that a try and then slowly incorporate unground parts, and see what happens. I don't eat that much meat myself, and really never buy ground meat so I wouldn't make the investment on that account. But it looks like the hand-crank grinders are not a huge investment.
Well thanks again. Happy Holidays to you and all your animal friends!
Az -
-
This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
Re: best meat source and/or combination?
Thu, January 3, 2008 - 2:08 AMI put Kaya's meat thru the mini cuisinart food processor. If you have a food processor or a decent blender, a meat grinder isn't necessary.
add tiny amounts of taurine per Dr. Pitcairn's recommendation. freeze 2 servings in yogurt containers.
Kaya did fine on Innova wet food, but she really perked up when I went back to feeding her raw! I'm blessed to live near a man who makes it for me, and I just pick up a week or 2 week's worth from him. yay! gawd, I hate grinding liver. -
-
Re: best meat source and/or combination?
Thu, January 3, 2008 - 7:30 AMLiver is NASTY to grind up.
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-