Natural antibiotic

topic posted Thu, June 22, 2006 - 1:11 PM by  St. Paolo
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Hello all,

I have a 6 year old white Persian cat. Her name is Lilly and is the sweetest animal known to man! Ok, known to THIS man. She has always been the runt and sickly by nature. This year she has been having trouble holding her food down so I took her to the vet. He ran some blood work and put her on antibiotics. Apparently she was toxic from some sort of internal infection of the bladder/kidneys area. After administering the antibiotics for a few days, she got better, started eating more and kept the food down. She even gained 1/2 pound!

This week, she has started acting sickly again and threw up a couple of times. I do not want to keep her on potentially harmful medication for the rest of her life. Now that I have given all of you cat experts the background to this story, I can get around to asking you my question:

Does anyone out there know of an herbal alternative for antibiotics?

If I had this condition myself, I would start loading up on the garlic and take a few drops of oregano tincture a few times a day. I try to live a natural life for myself and want to share this with my pets. My only concern is that what is good for me might be poisonous to my little Lilly.

Any suggestion?
Many thanks,
Paolo
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St. Paolo
Dallas
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  • Re: Natural antibiotic

    Thu, June 22, 2006 - 3:16 PM
    If she got tummy upset from the antibiotics, giving her some probiotics might make a huge difference. You can get a product called Benebac at the vet's or some pet stores, that will help. She will still need to continue her course of antibiotics.
  • Re: Natural antibiotic

    Thu, June 22, 2006 - 3:23 PM
    Ah...Paolo I wish that there was some alternative to antibiotics for your Kitty but none that I know of. Please be careful with these kind of infections. They can lead to Chronic Renal Failure in cats. Make sure that the infection is treated with the right antibiotic and for a long enough time. This is something that I saved off the net about infections of kidney/UTI in cats. Although it's directed to cats with CRF, I think that it's very good imformation to keep in mind....

    Hi, (Sorry, I don't know your name or your kitty's name)
    Has your vet done a urine culture via cystocentesis? (a sterile urine sample
    drawn out by a needle) This will determine what strain of bacteria is growing
    if indeed it is a urinary tract infection, and what antibiotics will be most
    effective in treating it.

    My one CRF kitty, G. Goon, had constant UTI's, each time a different strain
    of bacteria. She ran the gamut of antibiotics, some human ones included. 10
    -14 days on antibiotics is often not long enough to clear up UTI's in CRF
    kitties. G. Goon was always on her antibiotics for 4-6 weeks. And it seemed as
    though she always had a different strain of bacteria appear in her cultures.

    Until you have the culture & sensitivity test done, you may be wasting your
    money on the antibiotics. Changing them every 6 weeks or so isn't going to do
    any good unless you know what type of bacteria you're dealing with. If
    you're seeing blood in your kitty's urine, then I'm guessing that the antib's are
    doing very little to clear up the problem.
    Here's some info for you to read and share with your vet:
    www.felinecrf.org/treatments.htm#UTIs
    www.felinecrf.org/treatment...continence
    www.vin.com/VINDBPub/Sea...0/PR00440.htm
    Hope this helps...wishing you and your kitty well.
    • Re: Natural antibiotic

      Thu, June 22, 2006 - 3:48 PM
      I had a cat that had the same symptoms. Antibiotics seemed to help for a bit. My advice is try another vet. My cat also had diarrhea to add onto the vomiting. The vet said she had Irritable Bowel Syndrome. They gave me prescription food and drugs. She didn't get better. She actually got worse. I had moved and took her to a new vet. After my first visit my new vet found out what the problem was. Liver failure, most likely from cancer. My first vet took a blood panel, but somehow missed this. She lasted another month or so before passing away.
  • Re: Natural antibiotic

    Thu, June 22, 2006 - 4:57 PM
    Check out Richard Pitcairns nautral health for dogs and cats. Your in Dallas? There are several Homeopathic Vets in town. Standard Process makes a natural antibiotic called Congaplex. It rocks! My "kids" get only SP supplements and RAW home prepared meals. I have a cat with urinary/kidney issues and he is well on his way! Healthy and fat!
    Shannon
    • Re: Natural antibiotic

      Thu, June 22, 2006 - 10:05 PM
      Homeopathic treatment has been sort of shot down in this tribe, and I don't blame the shooters after what I've read on wikipedia. Then again, who's writing those wikipedia articles? I totally get that some of what Pitcairn says has been debunked, but I'm still not convinced we ought to dismiss all of homeopathy because he makes errors in other areas of pet care. I've not heard anyone argue his methods when it comes to homeopathy, only some of his views on nutrition. They're not the same thing.

      Regardless, homeopathy DID do wonders for my cat. Because of my experience with it, I can not write it off. I'd say it's good to be cautious, good to be as educated as you can, and that homeopathy is definitely something to consider if all else fails.
      • Re: Natural antibiotic

        Thu, June 22, 2006 - 10:09 PM
        The Kaopectate recommendation was not nutritional but homeopathic.
        • Re: Natural antibiotic

          Thu, June 22, 2006 - 10:18 PM
          I am 100% certain that Kaopectate is NOT a homeopathic remedy. It's just not. Pitcairn may have recommended it, and it might not be sound advice, but Kaopectate is not a homeopathic remedy. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Pitcairn espouses homeopathic care, among a lot of other things. Somehow, people get the idea that everything he recommends is homeopathic. It's not. Even without this blurring of lines and the misinformation in his book, homeopathy enjoys a dubious reputation. I'm not sure it's as good as the professional practitioners would have us believe, but I doubt it's as ineffective as the nay-sayers tell us, either.
          • Re: Natural antibiotic

            Thu, June 22, 2006 - 10:23 PM
            homeopathy does not = "natural" or "holistic" or "herbal". Although homeopathy IS natural and holistic (and often herbal-derived), not everything natural or holistic is homeopathic.
            I think that is where some of the misunderstanding lies. Homeopathy is a very specialized field of medicine that is dramatically different from what we're accustomed to. The remedies are very specific to the field.
            • Re: Natural antibiotic

              Fri, June 23, 2006 - 7:07 AM
              I'm open to be educated. I have just never heard of an "herbal" alternative to antibiotics that has been proven effective. And having just lost a cat to CRF who had UTI's that I never treated aggressively enough...?? I'm kind of raw still....


              Oh Paola you could offer your cat Slippery Elm. It's something that I have given my cats that has helped with nausea, etc.

              www.littlebigcat.com/index.php
              • Re: Natural antibiotic

                Fri, June 23, 2006 - 8:30 AM
                alice, I'm very sorry for the loss of your friend. I agree that sometimes (especially with a severe or persistent bacterial infection) antibiotics may be the only answer. (Just be sure to bolster the cat's system with probiotics and nutrition afterward.)

                Paolo says his cat has gone through a regimen of antibiotics and recovered. Now, some time later (he doesn't say how long), she is sick again. At this point we don't even know for certain whether she has another infection. If she doesn't, and she's sick from something else, then I do recommend that he consider consulting with a homeopathic vet. There might be something going on with her that the antibiotics did not address.
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                Re: Natural antibiotic

                Fri, June 23, 2006 - 1:09 PM
                > I have just never heard of an "herbal" alternative to antibiotics

                i believe that goldenseal works like an antibiotic, i don't have scientific tests to support this, but goldenseal has been used in my home on myself and daugther to keep the colds, flues, stomach upsets,yeasts and all other pests away. it always works when taken right away when we feel something coming on.
                she's only been on antibiotics once in 16 yrs.
                it works well, altho im not sure how it would work on a cat. it also tastes really bitter and i doubt kitty would take it.

                wish i could help more.
                • Re: Natural antibiotic

                  Sat, June 24, 2006 - 6:35 AM
                  "i believe that goldenseal works like an antibiotic, i don't have scientific tests to support this, but goldenseal has been used in my home on myself and daugther to keep the colds, flues,"

                  If it works on viral infections like colds and flu, then it does not work like an antibiotic at all. Antibiotics work on bacterial infections.
            • Re: Natural antibiotic

              Fri, June 23, 2006 - 8:28 AM
              actually kaopectate USED TO BE homeopathic. It used to be only Kaolin (a type of clay) and pectin (gelatin type substance from fruit), hence the name Kao (clay) pectate (pectin).
              • Re: Natural antibiotic

                Fri, June 23, 2006 - 8:34 AM
                There may be a homeopathic remedy derived from kaolin (indeed, many remedies are derived from minerals), but it would be delivered in an *extremely dilute* form. That is the fundamental nature of homeopathy. Kaolin and pectin administered "as is" is not homeopathic.
  • Re: Natural antibiotic

    Fri, June 23, 2006 - 12:21 PM
    Well, I went ahead and got another round of antibiotics from the vet. I really hope that she can knock out any infection that she still has and can stay infection free. I keep her hair trimmed in a lions cut. She looks so cute, kind of like a Muppet. I have not seen any hair in her vomit in a long time so I don't think that is the culprit.

    What does she eat? Well, I rotate between a couple organic brands but I don't remember the names right now. Basically, I have tried all major, high-end dry food and some soft. I find that when she has soft food, she gets excited and scarfs down too much at one time. I have learned that feeding her too much of her favorites can sometimes causes upset tummy.

    I will keep her on the antibiotics for now but keep up my search for a natural infection fighting remedy, (perhaps oregano tincture?) I have also considered making her food from scratch.

    Does anyone have a healthy, home-made cat food recipe?

    Again, my thanks goes out to all of you wonderful people. Tribe is a great resource and vehicle, but it is the people that make it great!

    Thanks again,....blessings,
    Paolo
    • Re: Natural antibiotic

      Fri, June 23, 2006 - 12:50 PM
      I think there are some recipes (or links to recipes) in this tribe, if you do a search. Also you might want to check out the Raw Food tribe at tribes.tribe.net/rawfood

      Wet food is better than dry, especially where kidney/bladder function is concerned.

      Best wishes!
    • Re: Natural antibiotic

      Thu, July 20, 2006 - 3:58 PM
      I would highly, highly recommend against the oregano tincture--if I remember correctly, oregano contains phenolic compounds, which are impossible for a cat to break down properly. In general, I would recommend NOT using herbal remedies on a cat unless consulting with a vet who's well-versed in the many, many quirks of feline biochemistry. In the meanwhile, conventional antibiotics, while often abused, certainly have their place in the safe treatment of cats.

      Probiotics and slippery elm bark are both effective against chronic vomiting and upset stomach. However, please realize that these merely address *symptoms*, and that in order to treat the disease itself, you need to get a definitive diagnosis from the vet. If you can get more details other than "some sort of infection" (and infection can oftentimes be a symptom, too, not a cause of disease) that'd be ideal, because that would inform the sorts of treatments your cat will need.

      But then it's been almost a month since you've posted this--how is your cat doing? Better, I hope.
  • Garlic is Not Safe For Cats

    Fri, January 16, 2009 - 3:36 PM
    Garlic in any form should never be administered to cats. Garlic is TOXIC to cats. Cats have very delicate internal systems, and can not tolerate many substances that humans or even dogs can tolerate, so always check with a vet or do VERY CAREFUL internet research before administering anything in your effort to help your kitty.

    Many of us use homeopathic approaches with great success when treating what ails us, so its natural to want to take care of our kitties in the same way. But remember, as much as it often seems otherwise, cats are not little people! What's good for us isn't always good for kitty.

    There are certainly some homeopathic remedies that can successfully be used on cats, but garlic is one that should never be administered to your feline companions. You cats deserve all the best care you can give them, so including natural remedies in their care along with proper medical care from a vet is encouraged, but always do your homework first.

    Other remedies that can be toxic, cause irreversible damage, and sometimes fatal to cats include:

    NEVER USE ANY OF THE FOLLOWING ON YOUR CAT:

    Tea tree oil (has been fatal to many cats) - has been used topically to control fleas, however if the cat - or another cat it comes in contact with - licks their fur or skin where the tea tree oil has been applied, it is extremely toxic when ingested.

    Oil of Oregano - very useful for treating a variety of ailments in humans, but never administer to a cat as it is also very toxic to their delicate systems.

    Aspirin - Unlike dogs, cats can NOT tolerate aspirin, and even a small amount can cause permanent health problems or even death

    Pork - Ever notice that cat food never comes in pork flavor? Cats do not tolerate pork well and some will become very ill upon ingesting it; never give your cat pork (that includes bacon and ham).

    Thank you for caring for your feline companions!

    This info provided by Angels4Animals.com - www.angels4animals.com
    • Re: Garlic is Not Safe For Cats

      Thu, January 22, 2009 - 2:38 PM
      Seems I'm always harping on this in this tribe: holistic or herbal does NOT = homeopathic!
      Homeopathy is a whole other kettle of fish. Look it up. You might be surprised, and even dismayed. Most people who bother to learn a little bit about what homeopathy is quickly decide it's a bunch of rubbish. It's just waaaaay outside our common doctrine.

      Homeopathy works great for my cat, I KNOW it's not rubbish, but it operates on a VERY different level from herbalism. It's more like flower essences than anything else we're familiar with. And, oddly, although many folks here think Rescue Remedy is the bees knees they wouldn't touch homeopathy with a 10' pole. *shrug*



      Garlic is bad for cats, though. You got that part right. :)

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