I found this at my local store a couple weeks ago, and picked up a bag.
www.animalworldnetwork.com/inev....html
My kitties were weaned off of dry food at 8 mos., but this summer I have been travelling a lot for long weekends, and didn't have someone to consistently come in and feed them on their wetfood schedule. Finding a good dry food seemed like a good solution to the temporary problem of me being away.
I put down a bowl, and Bukky my uber-finicky brat, immediately started eating without a moment of hesitation. Kumo, of course, ate it, too -- he eats everything.
Last weekend I left out bowls of dry food, and my roommate was there part of the time to feed them wet. They ignored their wetfood for the dry food (even Kumo, which was a shock). I immediately took them back to their wetfood schedule, and it has taken a couple of days for them to relish their wetstuff.
Any thoughts on this brand, Candy? It's a good solution for me for the weekends now, but I'm not going to make it a regular part of their diet.
www.animalworldnetwork.com/inev....html
My kitties were weaned off of dry food at 8 mos., but this summer I have been travelling a lot for long weekends, and didn't have someone to consistently come in and feed them on their wetfood schedule. Finding a good dry food seemed like a good solution to the temporary problem of me being away.
I put down a bowl, and Bukky my uber-finicky brat, immediately started eating without a moment of hesitation. Kumo, of course, ate it, too -- he eats everything.
Last weekend I left out bowls of dry food, and my roommate was there part of the time to feed them wet. They ignored their wetfood for the dry food (even Kumo, which was a shock). I immediately took them back to their wetfood schedule, and it has taken a couple of days for them to relish their wetstuff.
Any thoughts on this brand, Candy? It's a good solution for me for the weekends now, but I'm not going to make it a regular part of their diet.
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Re: Innova Evo Dry Food
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Wed, August 10, 2005 - 5:50 PMI was trying to find a low carb option for one of my cats that can't eat dry food without throwing up and found this brand as well. The people at the pet food store said it's their choice for cats not on a raw food diet - one of the best they have. It didn't help my guy, God knows what he's allergic to, but I think it's a really high quality food! -
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Re: Innova Evo Dry Food
Wed, August 10, 2005 - 6:49 PMIt definitely seems like the best dry food alternative I've seen out there. Thanks for sharing your experience with me, Stephanie! :D
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Re: Innova Evo Dry Food
Mon, August 15, 2005 - 6:22 AMYes, Innova's marketing department has done a great job convincing otherwise intelligent people that their form of crap in a bag is somehow equivalent to fresh, whole food. They are very good at pulling out all the stops to make you think that grains or the lack of them are the only issue, and hence that the choice to feed their product instead of raw makes any logical sense.
No, no grains, but not good either.
Evo is still cooked to death and extruded, still low quality ingredients (better than something like purina does not mean good), still DRY food (cats depend on their food for water as they dont drink it profusely the way dogs do). Still lacking in nutrients and having to be supplemented with them in a piecemeal fashion, which makes it still highly indigestible. And Evo has no GRAINS, not no CARBS--it just substitutes potatoes for oatmeal or rice hulls or whatever. Which means, for a carnivore, it still has the same kitty-crack effect that all grain based pet foods have--high blood sugar, addiction, hyperactivity, diabetes, etc....
What REALLY frightens me about Evo is the whole 50% protein thing--my animals are on a prey model raw diet (no veggies, no carbs) and their average protein intake is around 25-35%!!!! In other words Evo has TWICE as much protein as a diet made ONLY from meat products! The protein content of most dry and wet foods is the same, in the twenties or thirties, and it is like that for a reason. While more of a serious concern for dogs, too much protein causes overrapid growth and skin problems.
Their marketing tag line goes something like--"made with the same ingredients as you might find in a typical 'wild' feline diet--RAW MEATY BONES and cartilege, veggies and fruit!"
Okay, first of all, you would NEVER find veggies and fruit in a wild feline diet, they do not scavenge or eat stomach contents and feces of herbivores the way dogs and wolves do, but more importantly, ONCE YOU COOK THE RAW MEATY BONES THEY ARE NOT RAW MEATY BONES ANYMORE!!!!!!!
The reality is that this food is not much different from the usual duck and potatoe allergy foods out there, the only difference is in the proportion of ingredients--as far as protein % in concerned, Iams is closer to a raw diet than innova.
It is almost understandable to me that some people dont realize what dogs and cats should be eating, and that is why they feed kibble. Or they have been told, but are too stubborn to beleive it and too lazy to find out for themselves by doing research.
But the idea that someone DOES know, has done the reading, realizes how innappropriate commercial food is for a carnivore and how there is a desperate need to change what they feed, and then is suckered in by innova's marketing ploys to merely changing the brand name of their poison, offends the hell out of me.
I find it ironic the first sentance of this tribe's description speaks of the cat as "obligate carnivore" yet people are still trying to figure out how to feed their cats food that is horribly unsuitable for a carnivore. -
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Re: Innova Evo Dry Food
Mon, August 15, 2005 - 3:57 PMNice lecture, Lauren! ;D
Gotta do something to feed the kitties when I'm away and can't get someone to keep them on their wet food regimine. So far the limited use of this product has helped me. If you have a better solution, I would love to hear it.
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Tue, July 31, 2007 - 7:56 AMMy bengal kittens were having diarrhea for over six months. I tried Iams for kittens, that didn't work. Then I tried Innova, that didn't work. Lastly, I put them on Purina DM and tadah they're stool is how it should be. No gas, diarrhea, or rumbly stomachs. Oh, and now they don't have so many bowel movements. But, just to make sure it's Purina Dm and not just a coinsidence, I put them back on Innove just to make sure 100% it's their diet, because Purina Dm is $23 for a 6 lb. bag. Quite expensive.
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Tue, October 16, 2007 - 7:00 AM"In other words Evo has TWICE as much protein as a diet made ONLY from meat products! The protein content of most dry and wet foods is the same, in the twenties or thirties, and it is like that for a reason. While more of a serious concern for dogs, too much protein causes overrapid growth and skin problems."
Innova Evo actually cleared up my cat's skin condition of 8 years. Now he's happy and not constantly annoyed by his dermatitis plus he's fluffy and beautiful again. My cats' weights are steady. I wouldn't feed dry food 24/7 but it's one of the best dry foods out there and if you cannot leave raw wet out for long periods (due to the risk of food poisoning) this is one of the better alternatives.
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Thu, August 11, 2005 - 10:56 AMIt's probably the best dry food on the market right now--very, very high in protein, no grains and all that. So if you have to feed kibble for some reason and you have loads of dosh, I definitely recommend Innova Evo.
Stephanie, sorry to hear Evo didn't work out. Your cat might very well be allergic to chicken or fish, which are two of the most common cat allergens, and ubiquitous cat food ingredients. Flavorings can also be an allergen, and Evo contains that as well. -
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Thu, August 11, 2005 - 2:16 PMI can't figure it out! He can eat anything wet - fish, chicken, beef... But any and all dry food and he's throwing it up within a few hours. It's only a problem when I travel - I cover my entire house with blankets and towels and do lot of laundry when I get back... -
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Thu, August 11, 2005 - 6:44 PMI wonder if he's upset 'cause you're gone, rather than 'cause of his food?
Try talking to him as you get ready to leave, ask him to be in charge, tell him when you'll be back... -
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Thu, August 11, 2005 - 11:44 PMIf you have any questions about EVO please feel free to PM me. I'm the N. CA & N. NV Sales manager for Natura (Manufacturer of Innova EVO).
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Sun, August 14, 2005 - 11:35 PMHere's a question -- is there anywhere I can get it and not pay $17 for a fairly small bag? ;D
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Fri, August 12, 2005 - 2:42 PMI think he does get upset when I'm gone but the food thing has always been this way - since he was weaned really. It's just that now he only gets dry food when I'm gone since the cat sitter only comes once a day....
He was raised on kitty replacement milk from 5 days old when we found him so I wonder if it has something to do with that.
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Fri, August 12, 2005 - 1:48 AMMeko throws up alot when i give him just kibble - and since wetfood is lower in fat, the cats are all on a diet of wet food mostly, which is subsidized by kibble at night. They seem better for it and it gives them proper feeding times, which may help sappho lose weight.
I just introduced the new kitten to Meko n Sappho today. Some bad scuffles to begin with but tonight it was wonderful - they all ate together without hissing!
Focusing on giving them lots of attention and love, and not taking sides seems to work.
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Fri, August 12, 2005 - 10:04 AMdid someone say new kitten??
i demand more pictures!
a new thugz is in our midst!
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Mon, August 15, 2005 - 12:50 PMLauren: Whoa, slow down there slappy.
If a person for WHATEVER reason chooses to feed commercial food or needs to supplement the food with dry, then Innova Evo is one of the best choices.
Does it mean it can compare to a fresh, balanced raw diet?
No. Not even close, in my opinion.
"Evo has no GRAINS, not no CARBS--it just substitutes potatoes for oatmeal or rice hulls or whatever. Which means, for a carnivore, it still has the same kitty-crack effect that all grain based pet foods have--high blood sugar, addiction, hyperactivity, diabetes, etc.... "
First of all: quantity and type of carbohydrates make a big difference. And no food--not even raw, whole prey--is carb-free. If you want to look at some numbers for whole prey, check this link out: www.nal.usda.gov/awic/zoo/...2May29.pdf
If you do the math, whole prey can range from 5-15% carbs by dry weight, though the numbers aren't strictly accurate because carb analysis is generally done by difference, i.e. the people crunching the numbers calculate how much protein, fat and ash the food has first. To find out the carb content, you have to assume that it's what's left over. The amount of carbs is also sometimes referred to as NFE, nitrogen-free extract.
But then I'm pretty sure you don't know what I mean by dry weight, as evidenced by this paragraph below:
"What REALLY frightens me about Evo is the whole 50% protein thing--my animals are on a prey model raw diet (no veggies, no carbs) and their average protein intake is around 25-35%!!!! In other words Evo has TWICE as much protein as a diet made ONLY from meat products!"
Have you learned how to differentiate between dry matter analysis vs as-fed analysis? The reason why Evo seems to be so high in protein is because its protein content is calculated by weight. Water oftentimes makes up a significant portion of the food's weight. In the case of kibble, 90% of its water is gone; if you extract 90% of the water from a fresh raw diet, it'd be even higher in protein. Raw meat-based diets approximate whole prey in their protein content, i.e. about 60-70% protein on a dry-matter (DM) basis. This is why if you want to compare apples with apples instead of apples with oranges, you go with dry matter calculations, whereby you subtract the water content FIRST before calculating the nutrients.
For a more detailed explanation of this as well as a tutorial on how to calculate food on a DM basis, go here: catfoodguide.com/howtoread...#drymatter
IAMS kibble and the like are actually on the low side when it comes to protein. It's why I always recommend canned food or home-made over kibble. Canned food and home-made are almost always higher in protein on a dry-matter basis (which is what counts).
"The protein content of most dry and wet foods is the same, in the twenties or thirties, and it is like that for a reason. While more of a serious concern for dogs, too much protein causes overrapid growth and skin problems."
The hell kind of canned food are you looking at? The highest canned food protein content I've seen is 12% for Petguard's Chicken and Wheat Germ.
And I call bullshit on this "too much protein causes growth and skin problems" factlet. Got any citations there? Too much phosphorus that hasn't been balanced with calcium can cause growth issues, mostly because it impacts bone development, but phosphorus isn't protein.
"But the idea that someone DOES know, has done the reading, realizes how innappropriate commercial food is for a carnivore and how there is a desperate need to change what they feed, and then is suckered in by innova's marketing ploys to merely changing the brand name of their poison, offends the hell out of me."
And it offends the hell out of me that you'd come here and shoot your mouth off about Evo's protein content without even knowing the difference between as-fed analysis and dry-matter analysis.
And it offends me that you're making HUGE assumptions about what I endorse and what I don't.
Your fundamentalist attitude also offends me. You're not much better than those annoying-as-fuck Christians who stand on the corner telling me I'm going to burn in hell if I don't fall down and praise Jesus right this minute, only you're evangelizing about pet food.
Look, I'm in your corner. I believe that balanced, home-made raw diets are the best option too. I make my own cat food. I have a backup source of canned food for emergencies, or for those days when I'm a fucktard and I forget to defrost a meal, but canned food makes up maybe 5% of their total diet. They get NO kibble. None.
But your shoutiness? Annoying as hell. People have various reasons to feed what they do, and my goal is to help people take the best care of their cats with the time and resources they have. My goal is not to make them feel bad for the choices they make or make it seem as if Fluffeh is going to keel over dead simply because she's eating Wellness kibble. -
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Mon, August 15, 2005 - 2:35 PMWhoops, just realized how stunningly inaccurate the following is:
"Water oftentimes makes up a significant portion of the food's weight. In the case of kibble, 90% of its water is gone; if you extract 90% of the water from a fresh raw diet, it'd be even higher in protein."
What I SHOULD have said is this:
"Water oftentimes makes up a significant portion of the food's weight. In the case of kibble, it contains *at most* 10% water. If you dehydrated a portion of home-made raw food so that it contains only 10% water (raw home-made typically contains anywhere from 60-80% water), its protein percentage would be even higher than Evo."
Anyway, sorry for the mistake. The part of my brain that deals with mathematics must've been taking a lunch break when I wrote that post. -
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Mon, August 15, 2005 - 4:04 PMI <3 That Woman! :D
Thanks for all the valuable info -- you have been supremely helpful to me in learning how to better nourish my brats, and it really shows with them. I know lots of people with lots of cats, and of course I'm biased; but when judged on objective criteria, none of those other cats have the same clear eyes, beautiful coats, problem-free skin, good energy, and excellent health like my lil' bastards! -
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Tue, August 23, 2005 - 6:41 AMWhew! What a relief.
I was just about to suggest that you release mice in your apartment before leaving town, zenzen.
I don't know about anyone else, but I watched my cat, Thor, consume critters outside, even though he had *perfectly good* store bought cat food in the house.
I never saw him leave behind an intestine, stomach, gall bladder, bone or feather. Whatever those critters ate, Thor ate and I was always proud to know my boy could provide for himself. -
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Fri, August 26, 2005 - 4:06 PMThanks for this discussion. I've come across a similar problem with my kitties. I'm glad to hear that it works for your cats Zen - I've been looking for a good alternative. My cat 2Pac is also an avid hunter and I'm glad to see that other cats out there DO devour every last bite (thankfully for me). Great tribe!! -
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Re: Innova Evo Dry Food
Fri, November 18, 2005 - 6:39 PMI have 3 cats....Mika, Nara, and Manny. Manny is a bengal who was rescued from a dumpster by my boyfriend's mom. She found him in a trash bag with a leather strap pulled tightly around his neck...long story short, i fell in love with him, took him home. He was obviously neglected and abused..had worms...the whole nine yards. He also had a very dull coat. I started feeding him the Innova evo, and within weeks his coat was shiny and beautiful. I think the food is great for them, and with the research that i've done on dry cat food...this brand is one of the best...Lauren..trust me...If i had the time and $$$ to feed my cats a raw diet I would. I do the best I can to keep my cats healthy. My Manny is in a much better place then when he was found in a dumpster....raw diet or not. -
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Fri, November 18, 2005 - 8:45 PMWhat a marvelous story, Yellow!
I'm a total hypocrite for saying this, since I STILL don't feed my cat a raw diet (I don't eat meat myself and the raw meat thing just freaks me out - I KNOW I should get over it!!!)
... BUT I sometimes take care of a neighbor's cat when she goes away and that cat (the gorgeous miss Lucy) gets a raw food diet. I've been AMAZED at how simple it is. Honestly, it doesn't take me any longer to prepare Lucy's raw meals than it does to prepare Kaya's canned food! Hard to believe, but true! There is, I'll admit, the fact that you'd have to go to the butcher's once or twice a week... As for the expense, I don't think it's that much more. Possibly four or five bucks a week. You (WE!) could make coffee at home instead of getting a latte from the coffee shop.
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Re: Innova Evo Dry Food
Tue, October 9, 2007 - 8:58 AMi second, third and fourth evo.
our shelter cat had very horrible digestive problems, like nothing i've ever dealt with before and recently before that i had to go through our other cat's death, so i've had to deal with quite a bit of health issues...anyway, he was a mess, nearly on his deathbed at one point, until i balanced things out with the help of pumkin, raw and evo crunchies.
evo crunchies have also been a blessing during that whole grain scare.
he can now eat the crunchies, even the ones with extra carbs, and not pee out his ass.
sorry for lack of better words, but that is what it was!
imo, when you got a kitty with digestive issues you need to heal them first.
then put the beastie on a good, varied, and balanced diet. ok, so some cats do not like varied, some like to eat the same thing, but i think varried diet of wet (raw) and a good brand of crunchies like evo is not only good for the cat but also makes it easier on the owner. (like when you really need to travel, or not come home for the nite)
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Re: Innova Evo Dry Food
Tue, October 9, 2007 - 9:03 AMgoing to the butcher???
i don't think i could stomach that, being part vegetarian and living in a mostly veggie household...
but it is even simpler then that! i open a baggie of pre-frozen organic chicken patties and dethaw a couple during the day in the fridge and serve at nite. for the life of me i always forget what it's called. nature's best?
then there is the amore brand - also carries mini baggies that you just dethaw and serve, along with big baggies you can make portions out of...depending on your plastic recycling morals. ;-) -
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Re: Innova Evo Dry Food
Tue, October 9, 2007 - 9:04 AMhahahah! i just posted to a thread from 2005!
it was marked as unread.
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Tue, October 16, 2007 - 7:03 AMHeh - so did I.
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Re: Innova Evo Dry Food
Sun, November 11, 2007 - 9:24 PMMy guys were eating Natural Balance dry & the last time I was at the store they were out of that, so I got Innova. I didn't get a chance to wean them from one to the other & they've had diarrhea for a week now. Do you think it's just the fact that I went cold turkey on them or could it be the food? Anyone else had this problem? -
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Mon, November 12, 2007 - 7:28 AMIts most likely from going cold turkey. Also be aware that Natural Balance has a lot of recalls due to lack of quality control.
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Sat, November 17, 2007 - 11:11 AMMine went from Nat Bal to Innova Evo overnight also due to the recalls of Nat Balance dry food having Melamine, as well as poor canning/storage issues with the wet food. All three were fine - maybe a bit pissy about the change, but then they often have pretty strong stomachs. I can honestlly say all three seem alot happier on the innova evo but I know Meko misses the saltiness of Natural Balance. -
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Sat, November 17, 2007 - 1:41 PMMy cats are constantly switching food. It's abnormal if they get the same thing two days in a row. When you vary their food they don't have "sensitive stomach issues."
Think of it this way. Would you feed your child the exact same baby food every day for every meal? I'm not just talking about the brand but rather the "flavors." I think variety is important because not only does it avoid sensitive stomachs but it also ensures that they get all the nutrients they need because not all food is created equal. -
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Re: Innova Evo Dry Food
Sat, November 17, 2007 - 9:41 PMi've posted this many many times now and i'll say again because it has truly worked for our beast.
beastly had the runs, and i mean RUNS when we first got him from the shelter.
i thought at one point he was gonna die (vet trip, iv liquids etc) or i was gonna die from the horrid stench..not to mention cleaning poo off walls! yep, imagine how much i must love this cat to do that.
i put him on innova all meat first because this was also during the scare and i was trying to avoid fillers in case he had an allergy. it didn't help. i put him on raw, and nothing. then some angel whispered 'pumpkin' in our ear and i've added it to his raw and innova crunchies. he's healed already, it's been 7 months we've had him now..
for the last 7months it's been a mixed diet of innova all protein, innova senior and of course his favorite - raw meat!
i still mix a bit of pumpkin into his meat, but no where near the amounts i used to.
i tend to alternate his foods too, also depens on our schedule and if we're on top of the raw feedings.
either way, he's had awesome results, no butt pee and no stench.
he's a good weight now, very frisky and playful for his age, but i find he gets a bit too pudgy around the edges when i feed him just crunchies for too many days with no raw in between.
cats are meant to be carnivors and must get at least 'some' raw meat in their diet for optimum nutrition.
but to answer your question, he never has had the runs from innova after we healed his guts!
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